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pawelk1986
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|  Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:53 pm?? ?Post subject: Why Apple computers are so damn expensive |  |
| | Today I was at the mall looking for headphones to my Sony Xperia J
I walked around the Apple company store "iSpot" I went there out of curiosity I wanted to see how much they cost Apple laptop I was shocked.
I have a asus laptop ( Intel core 2 duo 2,66 Ghz 1 GB RAM and NVIDIA chipset 512 MB) and and decent desktop computer( is quite old but when i bought it was real supercomputer  (Intel Core 2 Quad Q8400 2.66 Ghz 4 GB RAM i added 2 GB extra so now is 6 GB RAM 512MB NVIDIA GT (i get it in replacement for my Galaxy 9800 NVIDIA which was three month before my warranty expired ))
I would like to mention that I am a Pole here in Poland do not earn as much as Americans, or even our Western neighbors Germany, because that we more respect every spent penny.
I thought to save some money and buy a laptop from Apple, I've heard that Mac OS is better than Windows, but I do not know under what terms. On Windows, you can run a much greater number of games than the Mac OS so what the operating system is better than Windows, Apple computers, and why are 50% if not more more expensive than PC class computers
For now I'm using the new Windows 8 Home Edition which I bought a month ago, I missed a bit of good old start menu and that it can not be reset in place of Modern UI, but I going to get used to it. |
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| | Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:37 pm?? ?Post subject: Re: Why Apple computers are so damn expensive | |
| It's the operating system that's expensive. Just imagine it costs $800.  The high price helps keep customers low enough that the service experience is generally better, with things like less wait time and faster turn around. (In the states, at least)
OS quality is subjective, I prefer OSX because I find it less distracting, more clearly organized and with better tools for managing my files. More to the point, I like a lot of the music software that is OSX only and for audio use the foundations of OSX are more stable, reliable and flexible out of the box. I dual boot to use the one remaining windows only program I enjoy.
There are ways to run OSX on your own hardware, but I have the money to support the software and hardware engineers at Apple who I feel do good work. I hope they are well compensated.
Hopefully, in the future we will have enough power and battery life to spare to run multiple operating systems slide by side, without third party emulation.
I agree, if you like games windows makes more sense, especially for a custom desktop system. |
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| | Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:00 pm?? ?Post subject: Re: Why Apple computers are so damn expensive | |
| | foodeater wrote: | | It's the operating system that's expensive. Just imagine it costs $800. The high price helps keep customers low enough that the service experience is generally better, with things like less wait time and faster turn around. (In the states, at least)
OS quality is subjective, I prefer OSX because I find it less distracting, more clearly organized and with better tools for managing my files. More to the point, I like a lot of the music software that is OSX only and for audio use the foundations of OSX are more stable, reliable and flexible out of the box. I dual boot to use the one remaining windows only program I enjoy.
There are ways to run OSX on your own hardware, but I have the money to support the software and hardware engineers at Apple who I feel do good work. I hope they are well compensated.
Hopefully, in the future we will have enough power and battery life to spare to run multiple operating systems slide by side, without third party emulation.
I agree, if you like games windows makes more sense, especially for a custom desktop system. |
Two operating systems at once? Sounds weird to me. I guess if you want to play games or use a program that's only available in one operating system it could be okay. But there's Wine ( and similar solutions for that. ) It runs slower, but I think the overhead of two operating systems would slow it down even more.
It's better to find an OS you like, then maybe dual boot for those few programs your favorite operating system runs.
And as for games; Linux ( with the upcoming Steam release ) and OS X has had Steam for a few years. Not saying every game will be cross-platform. But I think more and more games will be. At least I hope so.
Just curious; what music software are you referring to? Don't most of it run on Windows? |
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| | Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:22 pm?? ?Post subject: | |
| You can run OSX on a PC, people have broken the security for it. OSX is pretty cool, it runs nicely I think. OSX actually isn't an Apple OS per se. It's actually Mach Unix. It's Unix based, basically it's like a version of Unix/Linux made nice and clean and easy to use and all debugged. So it solves this problem with Linux:
 The compatibility is so high that people manage to run Linux programs on OSX, but not usually vice versa.
As far as hardware goes, it's more the presentation and worksmanship of the hardware that gets Apple points. http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/4th-Gen-MP4-Player-8GB-1-8-Video-Radio-FM-MP3-MP4-Free-shipping/507184_509856806.html Like I have something like that. It certainly works, but when you hold it, it doesn't feel very well built or high quality. But it works. But compared to an iPod, the build quality is terrible. But you're paying 10x more for the iPod and they both do the same thing (well now the new nanos are really cool and got cameras and stuff, but I digress.) That's where Apple excels, though, is build quality is quite good on all their products.
But really, it's just more of a marketing thing of a "premium" product. It goes along with things like lifestyle branding. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifestyle_brand
| Quote: | | A lifestyle brand is a brand that attempts to embody the values and aspirations of a group or culture for purposes of marketing.
Each individual has an identity based on their choices, experiences, and background (e.g. ethnicity, social class, subculture, nationality, etc.). A lifestyle brand aims to sell product by convincing potential customers that this identity will be reinforced or supplemented if they publicly associate themselves with the brand. |
And that's more or less how Apple works. It's less that they have something intrinsically awesome, but half is lifestyle brand type thinking, and half is that their products aren't bad and you know if you buy something Apple, it'll work well without you having to shop around and compare different items, set things up once you get the item, etc, it's simple. Lastly, Apple is a trendsetter. They're never the first to do anything, but they're usually the ones to get a particular trend popular. Take the iPod, it got personal mp3 players popular. Macintosh got GUI OSes popular, and then there's the iPhone and iPad. None of those were "the first" to do what they did, in fact the iPhone is a copy of the LG Prada, and the Macintosh was a copy of a Xerox GUI OS. http://macdailynews.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/070116_lg_iphone.jpg But Apple was the ones to bring the things to the mass market. But I'd say about half of what makes people buy Apple is lifestyle branding.
Lifestyle branding pretty much works like this:
http://video.adultswim.com/tim-and-eric-awesome-show-great-job/prices.html
For example, there's the grocery stores here, Aldis, Price-Rite, Save-A-Lot, those are all "ghetto" grocery stores. So it used to be only "poor" people and minorities went to them, not businessmen in suits. But once the economy tanked in America, suddenly you saw businessmen in suits going to those stores. People like to associate themselves with branding.
Long post, hope it's helpful.
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| | Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:42 pm?? ?Post subject: | |
| | OSX -- Easier on the eyes, less intrusive interfacing. Its a good client machine.
Windows 8 - While limited in experience, what I have seen, heard and touched, I cant really validate the use of.
I would never use OSX based systems as a the thing for a server, I prefer SElinux policy built debian, gentoo styled systems for that purpose. I tend to use Archlinux builds for core services (Bind, Dhcpd, and some email transport subsystems). Redhat systems if Im forced into industry standard usage (Oracle and SAP stuffs).
That said, I make ready use of Macports and Fink for all the linux softs I need to run on my OSX machine. I cannot live without Geany, my text editor. Anjuta im also a fan of.
I dont tend to mind to pay the upcharge for Macintosh gear, Im very rough on systems, and the Apple gear I buy tends to hold up a bit better than some of the other system alternatives. Ive dropped my MacbookPro (unintentionally) a couple of times, and the unibody construction of that laptop was a saving grace.
My ipad, Ive dropped it once, and cracked the screen, took it in to apple store, paid out the 300 dollar replacement cost (mins a 64 gig, so I only had to pay half price to get it in full), and I was good to go with a brand new 64 gig Ipad in hand walking out the door.
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| | Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:05 pm?? ?Post subject: | |
| | Trencher93 wrote: | | eric76 wrote: | | With Apples, you are paying a lot extra for the name. |
I disagree. I paid a lot for a Creative Zen MP3 player that bricked itself in a little over a year. I bought an iPod after that which is still going strong. Apple does produce higher quality products than the race-to-the-bottom commodity brands, and overall the cost of ownership over the life of the product stacks up pretty well. (What I mean is that over the same number of years, say a decade, one quality iPod costs less than the disposable lower quality MP3 players you'd have to buy as each one went bad after a few years.) |
Well, it depends. I've had people with iPods die in about 1-2 years, from their batteries going. Apple laptops with cracked screens. And yes, I've had two Creative Zens brick themselves in 1.5 years of heavy use each. As in my example, my player is $13. Don't know how long it'll last. We'll have to see. There's an upper limit to how much you can buy "quality" by just throwing money at things. And it depends on what you want, too, and how smart you are. IE, buying a new car. You can buy a new car with a fancy radio and USB ports, or spend anywhere from $80 to $400 or so on a car radio that'll do the same functions as a new car radio. Cars like to hype up how they have USB ports and aux to put your mp3 player in now, but you can do it on any car that's 12V electrical, which is like any car built after 1940. Depends on what you want.
I still say Apple is mostly a "lifestyle" brand. You buy it to show you're cool and have money. Last edited by 1000Knives on Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:17 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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| | Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:06 pm?? ?Post subject: | |
| | Trencher93 wrote: | | eric76 wrote: | | With Apples, you are paying a lot extra for the name. |
I disagree. I paid a lot for a Creative Zen MP3 player that bricked itself in a little over a year. I bought an iPod after that which is still going strong. Apple does produce higher quality products than the race-to-the-bottom commodity brands, and overall the cost of ownership over the life of the product stacks up pretty well. (What I mean is that over the same number of years, say a decade, one quality iPod costs less than the disposable lower quality MP3 players you'd have to buy as each one went bad after a few years.) |
You are making the faulty assumption that your experience with one mp3 player is representative across a wide variety of devices.
It's kind of like meeting one Autistic person and generalizing that limited experience to expect that all Autistic people are like the one Autistic person.
And for what its worth, our company uses several Apple computers, iphones, and ipads. There are only two of us who don't use Apples for our daily work and the failure rate of our non-Apple computers and other devices is certainly no worse than the failure rate of the Apple computers and devices. |
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| | Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:28 pm?? ?Post subject: | |
| | Trencher93 wrote: | | Starting this year, the new models of Apple laptops are more expensive and you get less computer for your money. (No ethernet port, no DVD drive, no 17" screen.) . |
No ethernet port!? So how the computer is supposed to connect to internet? A usb port? Going completly wireless? (Which would be stupid for the futur, as radio waves can't compete with optic cables for the amount of data it can send.)
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| | Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:40 pm?? ?Post subject: | |
| | 1000Knives wrote: | | Tollorin wrote: | | Trencher93 wrote: | | Starting this year, the new models of Apple laptops are more expensive and you get less computer for your money. (No ethernet port, no DVD drive, no 17" screen.) . |
No ethernet port!? So how the computer is supposed to connect to internet? A usb port? Going completly wireless? (Which would be stupid for the futur, as radio waves can't compete with optic cables for the amount of data it can send.) |
Most people aren't sending any important data anyways. |
Maybe, but they download, and if you want to watch a 4K 60FPS video (Possible in the futur...), you need to be able to download a lot of data very fast.
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| | Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:21 pm?? ?Post subject: | |
| | Tollorin wrote: | | 1000Knives wrote: | | Tollorin wrote: | | Trencher93 wrote: | | Starting this year, the new models of Apple laptops are more expensive and you get less computer for your money. (No ethernet port, no DVD drive, no 17" screen.) . |
No ethernet port!? So how the computer is supposed to connect to internet? A usb port? Going completly wireless? (Which would be stupid for the futur, as radio waves can't compete with optic cables for the amount of data it can send.) |
Most people aren't sending any important data anyways. |
Maybe, but they download, and if you want to watch a 4K 60FPS video (Possible in the futur...), you need to be able to download a lot of data very fast. |
Apple will handle that hurdle when it comes. Afterall, to upgrade a Mac, it's simple, you throw it out and buy a new one.
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